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--- public:dojo:wiki:disposable-vexor-ratting [2022/08/20 16:25]
Turindo Ohaya Moved page from https://wiki.bravecollective.com/playground/suicide-vexor-ratting
+++ public:dojo:wiki:disposable-vexor-ratting [2022/08/29 15:05] (current)
Turindo Ohaya added more notes on havens and neuts
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 ==== Fittings ====
-Despite their cost, Faction drones are an excellent investment for the 20% DPS boost over T1 drones. Your ticks will be severely reduced with T1 drones.
+Despite their cost, Faction drones are an excellent investment for the 20% DPS boost over T1 drones. Your profit will be severely reduced with T1 drones.
 Both fits cost 20-25 million ISK, including drones, however, platinum insurance will reduce the net loss to 14-19 million ISK. At 100% BRM it will take 40-80 minutes of ratting to pay for the Vexor; at 200% BRM it takes a bare 20-40 minutes.
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 The sites in this list have been tested and determined to be runnable using the above fit. The list is not necessarily comprehensive. In order of profitability:
-  - Guristas Havens. Both fits can do Stargate Havens (the ones with the warp-in popup). The Omega fit can do Gas Havens with a little heat on the initial wave; the Alpha fit may be able to do Gas Havens with a good bit of heat.
+  - Guristas Havens.
-  - Guristas Forsaken Hubs. It is unlikely, but your tank may break on spawns with 4 elite cruisers. Usually you survive with armor damage; very rarely heat is necessary.
+     * Both fits can do Stargate Havens (the ones with the warp-in popup).
+     * The Omega fit can do Gas Havens with a little heat on the initial wave; the Alpha fit can do Gas Havens with a good bit of heat, including heating in some of the middle waves. Focus Dire Pithum Mortifiers on the first wave of Gas Havens.
+        * Do not orbit the Chemical Factory. Orbit a rock near the midpoint of the large formation. If you orbit the Chemical Factory there is a small chance your Vexor will bump into a rock on the opposite side of the formation. This reduces your speed to 0 and you will die very quickly.
+        * Very rarely webbing frigates can cause your tank to break in Gas Havens. In practice this risk seems to be negligible.
+     * Havens have a very small chance of spawning a NPC dreadnought that will kill your Vexor in the final wave. This risk is negligible compared to the general risks of semi or fully AFK ratting.
+  - Guristas Forsaken Hubs. It is unlikely, but your tank may break on spawns with 4 elite cruisers, especially if the wave contains multiple Dire Pithum Mortifiers. Your drones usually automatically focus on the elite cruisers so you survive with armor damage.
   - Guristas Forsaken Rally Points.
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 If some alts have lower skills than others put the high-skill alts in Havens and the low-skill alts in Forsaken Hubs and Forsaken Rally Points so both high and low skill alts finish at approximately the same time.
-Skill farming your alts can further add to your profits, however, consider training the alts into stratop support ships such as the Crucifier before starting skill farming.
+Skill farming your alts can further add to your profits, however, consider training the alts into stratop support ships such as [[https://wiki.bravecollective.com/member/alliance/military/doctrines/midges|Midges]] before starting skill farming.
 ==== PVP ====
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 === Why go AFK while ratting? ===
-AFK ratting opens up much more time for ratting because you can be ratting while doing laundry, making dinner, or going to the store. It takes 5 minutes to start a site that is completed in approximately an hour and yields 30 million ISK at 100% BRM. That's 360 million ISK per hour of your time.
+AFK ratting opens up much more time for ratting because you can be ratting while doing laundry, making dinner, or going to the store. It takes 10 minutes to start a site that is completed in approximately an hour and yields 30 million ISK at 100% BRM. That's 180 million ISK per hour of your time.
 In general, paying attention while Vexor ratting does not help much. You should be ignoring neutrals in local (see below) and by the time the neutral is landing on grid your Vexor is lost. The exception is if you are ratting in staging where standing fleet might come to your aid.
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 In general, ignore neutrals. Most are just passing through. You lose a lot of ISK by pausing ratting to tether up for every neutral that comes by
-The exception is if you know that this specific neutral is hunting ratters. Then align out, recall your drones, and warp off.
+If you are paying attention and unsure about this neutral, you can continue ratting while aligned out. This prevents you losing your ship against anything except bombers, which can decloak and lock instantly.
+  - (In the weeks prior) Bookmark all the sites you run and leave those bookmarks showing on your overview. This gives you a lot of safes all around the system. (And you can go back to drop MTUs.)
+  - If a neutral you suspect is hunting enters local, align to one of those bookmarks. Ideally align back across your orbit so you have a long time before you burn out of drone range of the rats.
+    * Pay attention to how far you are getting away from the spawn point. If you are getting out of range align back across the anomaly to a bookmark on the other side.
+    * Don't forget to resume orbiting with afterburner on after the neutral leaves.
+  - If the neutral lands or decloaks, warp off. You are pre-aligned so you can warp before he even finishes landing or sensor recalibrating.
+  - When d-scan or local shows the site is clear warp back and reconnect to your drones. You usually lose 1 to the rats but sometimes you lose more.
+If you know that this specific neutral is hunting ratters align out, recall your drones, and warp off.
 === I'm tackled! ===